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SATURDAY, JUNE 28, 2008 (4:15 AM) Return to Fudmottin's blog
YouTube's New Upload Limit
(I'm feeling amused)


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Back near the end of August 2008, I opened an account on YouTube as a "just in case" backup if LiveVideo were to go off the air. Obviously this did not happen.

LiveVideo has had an impact on YouTube. YouTube has been displaying their videos at the same size as LiveVideo (425x334). This doesn't improve the picture quality of course. They are still using a lower bit rate than LiveVideo. Also, YouTube is still down mixing audio to monaural at a lower bit rate. So YT's audio also sucks.

Edit: LiveVideo uses 445x369.

YT's next salvo seems to be increasing their upload size limit. It is now 10 minutes and 1024MB. That is not a typo. You can upload a 1024MB file. I tested this with a 720p video that I made. The file encoded to 993.3MB. Close enough. The bit rate on the file is just a shade over 16Mbps. It is a proper 16:9 HD file except that I made the frame rate 24fps.

You would expect that such a high quality file would produce a high quality video on YT. I was expecting it. Or, to be more accurate, I was curious if it would or if YT would just knock it down to their usual pathetic bit rate. Well guess what they did? Yep. Pathetic bit rate.

The video itself isn't very interesting. I was just documenting the decay of an old house. I was also playing with certain camera settings. Still, the quality should have been much better.

Sorry, YouTube. The very fact that you still maintain a ten minute playback time limit does not make it worth uploading a super large file when you are just going to ruin it. You fail.

Addendum

I tested out what I found at the URL that Swipe posted and was rather surprised at what I found. I also corrected the upload limit for YT. I tried to embed the high resolution video in this blog, but YT is effectively blocking me from doing that. If anyone can tell me how to fool the flash player into streaming the higher quality stream, please let me know.

In the meantime, you will just have to follow this link to YT to see and hear the difference.

LV, you may need to do some catch up. I hope you keep the original files like YT does. I do like LV much better than YT. But I do dig getting better video and audio quality.

Also, a minor LV annoyance, is that the html I post in my blogs gets parsed. Specifically the object tag is not allowed. Also, the embed tag gets turned into an object tag! I'm sure there are valid security reasons for doing this. I would not trust random html either. Imagine what you can do with iframe and a few other tags. Cross site scripting attacks anyone? Oh well. Just ignore this last paragraph and pretend you never read it.


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Posted Jun 30, 08 by Fudmottin
Well I have no intention of abandoning LV. I love the way I can customize stuff to my liking, just as you said, Euchre.

Stress, the linked version should be MPEG-4 video and audio with full stereo. Maybe you have to paste the link in for it to work properly. I do know that I spent a bunch of time trying various cargo cult tricks to get an embedded high quality version.

I would like to see LV step up the video quality. I suspect that the audio won't sound different to many people if LV switched to MP4a. Too many people seem to be going deaf ;-)

I am stunned that people put up with the default monaural PCM audio on YT. It's absolutely pathetic.

Posted Jun 28, 08 by Euchre
They've been offering the higher quality for a while. They also snuck the stereo in a while back on some partner's videos and such.

I don't think YouTube's playback is comparable though, and for the most part your video presentation is still the generic YouTube video watching page when on the site. At least here, you can easily set up ways to play all of your videos on your profile page, officially and not. This site is more about a user being able to create their own 'brand', whereas YouTube is all about their own brand. It's about like comparing MySpace to some of it's less than adequate rivals - although rarely so executed, a MySpace page has the potential to be a very recognizable portal for the user's own brand. This is why it's so popular with musicians and entertainers.

Oh, and YouTube could still give a crap about the people that basically contribute everything to it. Post something even coincidentally similar to a copyright or trademarked work and see who they listen to.

Posted Jun 28, 08 by HIGHONSTRESS
thats weird, the embedded video from the original blog and the new linked one both look the same to me.. maybe i need to drink some coffee first but i cant tell the difference. they both look better than average for YT.


Posted Jun 28, 08 by HIGHONSTRESS
the difference is visible to the naked eye (and ear) without even needing to know any techincal jargon..

stress comment blog/

Posted Jun 28, 08 by Swipe      (  )
I'm not sure if you are aware of this Dave but take a look at this article:

http://lifehacker.com/362922/get-higher resolution-youtube-videos-with-a-url-hack

It talks about adding a suffix to the url for better quality video playback. Still doesn't address the audio though.

Posted Jun 27, 08 by Fudmottin
I haven't seen the "high definition" option. I did hit the button to play the video full screen. That was just unbearable.

LV is definitely using better encoding. I've been posting at 24fps, but I think I'll step up to 25fps to see if I can avoid frame rate conversion. That may improve my video quality. It may not. I upload h.264 video and 48 khz AAC audio at 128kbps. LV has done OK (not brilliant) with the audio, so any ambiance that my videos have survives reasonably well.

Audio is as important to me as video quality and far easier to get right. Is YT using a-law or u-law 8 bit audio or 16 bit LPCM? It sounds like 8 bit.

I've not taken the trouble to download the raw streams from LV or YT so I can open them up to find out what exactly is being delivered.

Posted Jun 27, 08 by MrPoe      (  )
Have you seen their 'high definition" option? Not sure what it does.

Posted Jun 27, 08 by mrclzd      (  )
YT Fails on so many other levels as well. Talk about lost in the shuffle. When I left, there was an overwhelming amount of videos being pulled for no reason. Also, there seemed to be a 2 second time lapse from the time it took your video to post, to the time it died. I love my LiveVideo, and would not trade over, no matter what the tubes do to play catchup.
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